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For those who believe the media and unverified reports of the number of women and children being slaughtered by Israel, this article might be an eye opener.
Hamas admits it lied to the world about how many children and civilians died in Gaza
FTA:

"For those who believe the media and unverified reports of the number of women and children being slaughtered by Israel, this article might be an eye opener"

Nope... The New York Post is 100% pro Israel..

If you actually believe that not a single woman/child/civilian was killed then your mind is warped...

Undoubtedly with cause.

There were over a thousand innocent women/children/civilians killed on Oct 7.
Their deaths and abductions were ALL intentional.
In response there were many Arabian civilian deaths.
However very few, if any, were intentionally targeted by Israel.
I do believe Hamas did intentionally put civilians in harms way to drive the numbers up as well as to shield themselves.

I know my view is contrary to that of the media gods and of the educational system.
However, one should at least use logic when forming an opinion.
Why would one trust the entity that has openly promoted genocide in both word and actions?
Why would one trust the entity that unapologetically tortures, slaughters, and imprisons innocent civilians?
Why would one trust the entity that steals humanitarian aid in order to facilitate their goal of eliminating Jews?
Why would one trust the entity that uses schools, hospitals, etc. to house and facilitate and shield military operations?
The only answer I can think of is one who believes the MSM, even if they claim otherwise, and/or one who is brainwashed by the educational system that they had to rely on for the credentials needed for employment.

Sorry, Fahrenheit451, you don't have a leg to stand on.

Israel knows exactly where every Hamas leader is hiding. If a Hamas leader is in an apartment building with 2000 innocent civilians then Israel knows this....

Israel doesn't give a shit because they will take out the entire building just to kill 1 Hamas guy.... This means they have ZERO regard for anyone living there....

It's called MURDER.. Or mass Genocide if you will..

There are no places for the civilians to hide or take bunker because Israel is bulldozing the entire Gaza Strip.....

Soon the Gaza Strip will become a resort area with several Trump Towers and Casinos....

Trump will do ANYTHING to make a buck....So will the Israellis.

There is no logic to your statement.
If Israel has "ZERO regard for anyone living there" and they know "exactly where every Hamas leader is hiding," then they would have taken them out early and not have suffered the expense and military casualties that ensued.

Again, you misuse the word "genocide." Capitalizing it doesn't change its meaning.

If that becomes reality then the economy of Gaza will flourish and it will become a desirable place to live, not the hell hole it was under the rule of Hamas.

When Trump "makes a buck" he generates value and wealth for others.
Israel turned an undesirable sliver of land (without oil) into a flourishing state.
Compare that to the Arab nations that rely on oil to keep afloat.
Again, "making a buck" is not a bad thing when it involves adding value.

Back to the original OP topic: You offer an inane criticism of the source as an excuse to avoid addressing the point about the reporting discrepancies that were described.

"Israel turned an undesirable sliver of land (without oil) into a flourishing state"

Correction: They kicked the people who were already on that land off that land by force...Including burning them out of their homes...

Re: Israel's "flourishing state"

Here are the facts:


Poverty Rate:
In 2023, 20.7% of the Israeli population lived in poverty, with 27.9% of children living below the poverty line.

OECD Ranking:
Israel has a high poverty rate compared to other developed countries, ranking second-worst in the OECD after Costa Rica.

Vulnerable Groups:
Arab and ultra-Orthodox communities, as well as single mothers, the elderly, and those from lower socioeconomic backgrounds, are particularly affected by poverty.

Economic Challenges:
The Israeli economy faces challenges like income inequality and rising poverty, which are exacerbated by factors like the cost of living and the impact of economic crises.

Recent Data:
In 2023, 2 million Israelis lived below the poverty line, including 872,000 children.

Latet's Report:
A report from Latet found that 28.7% of the population lives below the poverty line, with 39.6% of children living in poverty.

Middle Class Erosion:
The economic crisis has led to the erosion of the middle class, with many families at risk of falling into poverty.

Geographic Disparities:
Areas in the Jerusalem district and the northern and southern parts of the country have the most serious poverty problems.

Lack of Employment Opportunities:
Lack of employment opportunities, particularly good employment, and low levels of education in Arab-Palestinian society, are factors that keep families in poverty. (Ie: Israel practices discrimination against the Arab-Palastinan people)

Barriers to Employment:
Geographic peripherality, lack of appropriate public transportation, and lack of daycare systems for children are barriers that prevent people from accessing employment opportunities.

Cost of Living:
Israel is one of the most expensive countries in the world, with a particularly high cost of living in cities like Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Herzliya.

Homelessness:
While homelessness is not as prevalent as in other developed nations, it is still a problem in Israel.

Food Insecurity:
One in four Israelis now faces food insecurity.

Re: My "criticism of the source"

Well I have seen the videos and pictures of hundreds of dead Palestinian children caused by Israeli bombs.. Videos don't lie.

"If Israel knew exactly where Hamas was hiding then they wouldn't have suffered the expense and military casualties"

Sure they would have.... That is right, I am suggesting that Israel doesn't give a shit about their own soldiers either. Just like the American government doesn't give a shit about our soldiers. Does Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan ring a bell?....

As for the expense, what does Israel give a shit about that for since the STUPID American Taxpayer pays for most of the military and security anyways....

Netanyahu is coming here AGAIN next week to grift/beg for some more money from us....And that Trump fella will be sure to give him what he wants...

Trump wants those new Trump Towers, Casinos and Golf courses bad....

He will probably put Jarret Kushner in charge of the construction..

Your "correction" doesn't even address the comment you quoted.
Also, your "correction" ignores the persecution of Jews. Consider this account:
Jews in Arab countries suffered unbearable discrimination. Why do our stories remain untold?
FTA:
It would be great if you would provide links to the points you make.
As to my "flourishing state" comment, I offer this assessment from Wikipedia:
FTA:
That is naive.
Videos offer an effective means to project slanted coverage and outright falsehoods.
They are effective because the message is easily edited, staged, or cropped and the viewer doesn't have the opportunity to evaluate the content.
With the written word, one has the opportunity to question the message.

No, they would not have. They would have eliminated all the Hamas quickly.
As to you comment that Israel doesn't care about it's soldiers, you are just ranting bile.

You know where I stand on Israel and I know where you stand....

You will not convince or change my views...

Too bad you can't support your views.
I guess a closed mind doesn't feel the need to.

I already supported my views dipshit....But you always have to have the last word....

I DO NOT support Israel and I never will....We have completely opposite beliefs and viewpoints. So leave it at that....Personally, I think they are an outlaw state and their entire state was created Illegally and to cause trouble by the powers that be at the time...

I base my beliefs and viewpoints on facts and I refuse to attempt to educate or give a crash course on international law to an ignoramus troglodyte who gets his views from screaming talking heads like Mark Levin....(who happens to be the most biased person alive when it comes to Israel and Muslims).....

If anybody is a racist it's people like Mark Levin who only cares about selling his books and capitalizing off of bad situations..But that is typical....

And I have a strong assumption that you follow people like this..

Btw,

You will never understand why these thousands of students (many of them law students) are so pissed off... You just think that you are correct and these thousands of students are wrong....

You actually believe because you were FORCE FED the belief by these war monging talking heads on tv, that they are "supporters of Hamas"....

You continually bring up the 1100 dead from October 2023 and what the Germans did 80 years ago...But you have never acknowledged what has been done to these people FORCED to live in that open air prison on a 27 mile strip of land for the past 79 years....

When people are literally forced to starve to death they actually try to fight back...

Nonsense.
You lamented the displacement of 750,000 Arabs but ignored my point that over 800,000 Jews were displaced from Arab lands.
You state that British law was flawed but then lament that Jews immigrated illegally while ignoring the fact that Arabs also immigrated illegally under the same law.
You misuse the word genocide and never defend your use or give your definition.
Those are just a few off the top of my head not to mention that you never responded to the point of this thread's opening post.
Instead you just find an excuse to dismiss it.
When you make an illogical statement you refuse to clarify when challenged.
You list many items to illustrate the Israel is not a flourishing state, yet you ignore my source that states: "Israel's standard of living is significantly higher than all of the other countries in the region and equal to Western European countries..."
As I said before, you've got nothing.

From all indications, you look for reasons to avoid supporting your beliefs and viewpoints.

Yes, I do think I'm correct and they are wrong--on several issues.
They are as wrong as Hitler when they advocate the elimination of Jews.
They are wrong that a man can become a woman based on how they feel.
They are wrong that they think "green" policies are implemented to save the planet instead of a blatant goal to "redistribute" wealth.
They are wrong that they think having millions of unvetted illegal aliens enter our country is a good thing.
etc.

You have never acknowledged that their elected leadership used humanitarian aid for purposes of making war with Israel.
You have never acknowledged that Hamas's priority was war and not the well being of their citizens.
You have never acknowledged that other Arab countries refused to take them.

It is often said when a discussion devolves into name calling, it is because they are unable to support their point.

So why do I put up with your insults?
I do enjoy watching you squirm as you avoid having to own up to your illogical posts, but my primary reason is to float my position to someone who claims to be better versed on an issue than me.
Every time I make a point that you don't or can't refute, I feel that my take on the issue is likely more sound.
When you make a point that I'm unaware of, I learn more about the situation as I search for background.
With no indication from you as to source or logic, the sources I have found have not substantially changed my position.

"Israel's standard of living is equal to other Western European countries"

Big whoop... Most of those European countries are a disaster economically.

I can only imagine how bad Israel would be financially if we only stopped funding to that suppossed "Independent State"

If they are such an "Independent State" then why do our gangster politicians continue to make Americans pay for their existence?

Netanyahu is here today no doubt to pick up his yearly check...

Btw,

I would like to see someone make a citizens arrest because there is an arrest warrant for being a war criminal on his head right now...He is wanted in 150 countries for Crimes against humanity...

But Trump won't turn him in. Trump wants his new golf courses..

P.S.

If you support Israel, Netanyahu or the Murderous IDF then you have the blood of children on your hands too.....

Interesting that your paraphrase of the quote ( "Israel's standard of living is significantly higher than all of the other countries in the region and equal to Western European countries...") omits "significantly higher than all of the other countries in the region."
You have to use deceptive editing to make a non-relevant point.
BTW, much Europe has shot themselves in the foot by adopting "green" policies, DEI policies, and COVID response.
Don't forget Europe has had a significant increase of Arab immigrants.
I read somewhere that 50% of rapes in Europe are attributed to immigrants.
They don't assimilate.

Being surrounded by hundreds of thousands of Arabs who are determined to crush Israel, they need to massively support their military just to survive.
Without financial support millions of Jews would have been killed or enslaved--Hitler's goal would have been achieved.

You fixate on Trump and not on the problem.

No. If you support Hamas, then you will have the blood of millions of women and children on YOUR hands.

I just figured it out. You must be Jewish...

With all of the points brought up, that's the best you can do?
Like many of your other assumptions, you are incorrect--not that it matters.
My position is strong regardless of my personal strengths, weaknesses, and bias.

BTW
Your posts, with their dismissive attitude toward the plight of the Jews, are definitely antisemitic.

And you are anti Muslim.

You know nothing about the situation over in the middle east. Like I said before, my wife being from Iran would kick your ass on every subject...

Btw,

I was waiting for your "Antisemitic" bullshit. That is the usual fallback when all else fails. Label someone "Antisemitic" if they don't agree with you. Pathetic!

Now go back to your Television program. All your talking head assholes are on now....That is about the only education you have.

P.S.

I can't believe that I am having this ridiculous conversation with such a Pavlov Dog as yourself.... I feel like I am having a conversation with Sean Hannity himself..

Your mind has been so conditioned and trained to think/believe/speak by these talking media assholes that you really don't have the ability to think for yourself and form your own opinions...

It's sad really...

But shame on me for allowing this to continue..

True.

Too bad you didn't enlist her help in this discussion.
Maybe she could have offered substance or clarity to your illogical, duplicitous, and deflective posts.
Speaking of your wife, I wonder if she has read Reading Lolita in Tehran by Azar Nafisi.
If so, I would like to know if she thinks the book is an accurate representation of the time.

Look again at my post.
I said your posts were antisemitic, not you.
Specifically, your posts that claim Israel has no regard for civilian casualties or their own soldiers.
However, if you stand behind your posts then your being antisemitic is a reasonable assumption.

Your assumption about my viewing habits is completely wrong.

Funny, I think the same about you having to endure years of intensive brainwashing to get your degree.
Personally, except for clips, I've watched Fox news less than 2 hours a year for the past 20 years.
However, I estimate that I've had double your life experience.
I've witnessed (and objected to) the initiation of detrimental leftist policies in the 60s and have lived long enough to sadly say "I told you so."

" I've witnessed (and objected to) the initiation of detrimental leftist policies in the 60s and have lived long enough to sadly say "I told you so"

Well you must have witnessed the initiation of the policies of our corrupt politicians who implanted into the brains of all the sheep, why we must fight in Vietnam too....

I am just curious as to when you are going to admit that the policies our corrupt politicians have implemented for decades have basically ALL failed miserably..

This includes the creation of Israel by corrupt American politicians...

Our greedy politicians helped create Israel, and for the past 80 years nothing but destruction and death has occurred because of this...

There is no such thing as "human rights" especially with regards to the United States Government.. We are the instigator..

For the record:

This applies to Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, South Korea and several other countries... Our involvement/instigating results in nothing but death and destruction.... American politicians did this..

But nothing compares to our involvement in Israel and the middle east...

Btw,

The only people getting wealthy off of this death and destruction are the politicians... Israel has always just been a pawn for their greed and quest for power..

The elimination of Jews in the Mideast would have entailed millions of them killed or enslaved.
The ongoing death and destruction has been initiated by Arabs intent on Jewish genocide.
This was true even before WWII was over.

What would you have the Jews do?
If they come under the control of Arabs, what is their fate?

"What would you have the Jews do"

Stay in Europe.....They could have stayed in Poland, Russia, France and Germany after the war.... These "Jews" were ALL European anyways...

Instead with the Help from the United States they were moved to this certain piece of land smack dab in the middle of everyone who hates them on purpose....In the process people who were already settled on this certain piece of land were physically kicked off to make way for the "newcomers"

Similar to what we have going on today with these millions of illegals entering our country...

What/How exactly do you think the reactions would be by the Arab nations? The same reaction Americans have today for these illegals...

So we got 80 years of War/death and destruction with no end in sight...

But you are missing the entire point....This situation like most situations was caused by greedy power hungry American Politicians...

The politicians who helped create the "State" of Israel couldn't care less about these European Jews...All they wanted was a foothold in the Middle East. It's called "Manifest Destiny"....Just like we wanted a foothold in Iraq, Iran and dozens of other countries around the world.

For decades we have placed our puppets in control of numerous countries.

For the record, the Middle East was next on Hitlers to do list of places to conquer...Hitler knew like the Americans that oil was going to replace coal as the fuel of choice in the near future...Everybody wanted control over that land....


So in essence America tried to expand their influence the same way Hitler or Stalin would have....And we STILL do this today...

But you like many millions of other sheep keep thinking this is all about the Jews.

It is frustrating when you respond to a question with an answer that isn't relevant and is inaccurate as well.
Notice that I'm asking what would you have the Jews NOW, not what would you have HAD the Jews do.
To address your deflective answer, being in Europe didn't work out too well for them during the 30s and 40s.
They were NOT ALL Europeans. Jews faced genocide throughout the Arab lands.
Fact Sheet: Jewish Refugees from Arab Countries
FTA:

You did NOT say what would you have the Jews do "NOW"...

You asked "what would you have the Jews do" while we were discussing the creation of Israel in the first place...

I said stay in Europe instead of placing them smack dab in the middle of the middle east surrounded by Arabs who have been in direct conflict with Jews since the 7th century when Jews rejected the Prophet Muhammad...

You couldn't find two groups of people anywhere on earth who have more religious and political differences than Jews and Arabs...

But yet American politicians created this mess...

"586,000 jews were resettled in Israel"

Correction, they were settled not resettled since they were NOT from the middle east in the first place. The people (Arabs) who were kicked off the land were "resettled" into the gutter...All to make way for the Jews from Europe.

Btw,

I would also argue that you also couldn't find two groups of people more different religiously and philosophically than a Christian and a Jew...Contrary to what the FAKE Media and corrupt politicians tell you...

They are so different religiously in every possible way...It is outrageous that this false narrative continues.

The main idea and belief of a Christian is Christ...

Judaism rejects the entire notion of Christianity/Christ and the new testament all together...

But they throw out this media/political created term "Judeo Christian" to brainwash the sheep into believing Jews and Christians are one and the same...

I shouldn't have to school you on grammar (past, present, future) or that a new paragraph may indicate a different direction of thought.
Since you now know I'm talking about the current situation, please answer the questions:
What would you have the Jews of 2025 do now?
What fate can be expected for the Jews of 2025 if they come under Arab control?

So you disagree with the quoted text I got from the linked article?
Do you really believe that Jews didn't live in the Middle East before the 1940's?

"Please answer my questions"

Who the Fuck are you that I have to answer your ridiculous question?

I will tell you who you are. Another Boomer with the distinction of being a member of the worst most selfish generation in world history. That is who you are. You are actually trying (but failing miserably) to be a jail house lawyer....I know your type.


"So you disagree with the quoted text I got from the linked article?
Do you really believe that Jews didn't live in the Middle East before the 1940's?"

I am 100% certain that those EUROPEAN JEWS from the 1940's DID NOT LIVE in the middle east. I am 100% certain that American and International politicians got together to decide the fate of these people.

In their pathetic wisdom they decided they wanted a political influence there so they removed the people who were on this land (living with their families) and replaced them with these European Jews.

Btw,

I am also 100% certain that some of my old Jewish friends from my old Queens neighborhood were NOT from the middle east nor had they ever even been to the middle east...

In fact most of their relatives/ancestors were not from the middle east either. They were from Europe too....

As far as 2000 -4000 years ago goes, that is another issue....But again none of those WW2 Jews had anything to do with the Jews from 2000 years ago....

You don't have to answer anything.
I'm pretty sure you CAN'T answer them without exposing how weak your position is.

No one disputes the immigration from non Arab countries.
You ignore the Jews who immigrated from Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia, Yemen...

If true (and my respect for your unsupported opinions has reached a low point), then why do you blame the Jewish victims?

Again you ignore the Jews who immigrated from Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia, Yemen...

Your point?

Only if you ignore the Jews who immigrated from Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Libya, Morocco, Syria, Tunisia, Yemen...

Why do you hate/ or why are you against Muslims is the real question...

By your own admission... We can scroll back to view your comment if necessary..



Originally Posted by Fahrenheit451
And you are anti Muslim.
True. (Your response)

You are a broken record..

Btw,

"You ignore the Jews"


Who has literally been trying to destroy Trump (probably even kill Trump) over the past 10 years? And who has been destroying Americans?


The following people have infiltrated our government like the rats they are..


Adam Schiff
Nadler
Schumer
Blumenthal
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Jamie Raskin
Dan Goldman
Both Vindman brothers
This judge Boasberg
Now this Editor from the Atlantic

Now you have this one today...

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...-force-commander-relieved-command-after/

Enough said...Case closed... Too bad you are blind to it all..

You always ignore the questions I ask and try to make me the focus of your discussions and not the topic at hand.
Try answering some of my questions.
Start with these two:
What would you have the Jews of 2025 do now?
What fate can be expected for the Jews of 2025 if they come under Arab control?

As to your "real" question, let me count the ways...
Muslims are people who adhere to Islam and use the Quran to justify their actions:
Lying to non-Muslims is not a sin -- hence you cannot trust anything they say.
They combine government and religion with the goal of world domination.
They actively want to convert, enslave, or kill nonbelievers -- right now their focus is on Jews but their goal is total world domination.
Their women are denied rights and are, in fact, second rate citizens.

Their society is counter productive:
They are sadistic murderers and cheer when innocent people are dragged through the streets and children are tortured and murdered in front of helpless parents.
They teach hatred, particularly toward Jews.
They don't care about the standard of living of their own people as they focus on war and violence.
For example, when Gaza was turned over to them, they destroyed more than half of the green houses and then lament that Jews were starving them.
Instead of improving their plight, they built hundreds of miles of tunnels with the intent of making war.
You criticized Jews for immigrating illegally, but many more Arabs immigrated illegally.
The point of the law restricting immigration was justified by "absorptive capacity."
Ironically incoming Jews were productive and increased the absorptive capacity while the Arabs did the opposite.
Another indication of the non-productive trait of Muslims is their lack of Nobel Awards (6 from a pool of 1.5 billion Arabs)
They give very little to the advancement of peace, arts, and science contrasted to the tiny community of Jews that has contributed and earned scores of awards.
etc.

Your hatred and generalization of approximately 2 billion Muslims is evident..

Re: Nobel awards

Didn't Obama get one of those ridiculous undeserved awards?

Re: What would I have the Jews of 2025 do now?

My answer:

If they want to be their own "State" or "Country" then act like it. Stop having American taxpayers pay for their entire defense....

This is supposed to be "America first" or "Make America Great Again" or so I heard.... But that was all bullshit anyways... This is obvious. Trump only cares about making more money....It's too bad that there are a lot of sheep in this country that can't see this....

Your second question:

What fate can be expected for the Jews of 2025 if they come under Arab control?

You are the sheep for even repeating this absurd question that American politicians and their corrupt media outlets use as a scare tactic to justify their own evil intentions...

If you actually believe that Israel will "come under Arab Control" then I have some Florida swamp land to sell you...

After 80 years, don't you think Israel would have already come under Arab control by now if it was going to happen at all?

This is WORSE than George W. Bush /Colin Powell telling the world that Iraq/Sadam had "Weapons of mass destruction"


Btw,

Iran has been on the verge of "nukes" for the past 40 years....Every other week for the past 5 years has the same headline "Iran is days away from obtaining nukes"

They are all full of shit....

Unfortunately, some people like yourself keep buying the same plate of shit everytime.....

And the reasons are based on facts.

Of all the reasons I gave, the only one you can challenge is this? And your challenge is directed away from the actions of Arabs. Talk about lame.


That's it? Stop taking funds made available to them? "Lame again."

Not if they remain strong militarily.
You are proposing they reject a major source of funding that helps keep them strong and you come up with this foolish statement?
Beyond lame and avoids the question.

"You are proposing they reject a major source of funding that helps keep them strong"

Yes Because:

Their "funding" comes from the American taxpayers....

Because we have criminal gangster politicians in Washington and in Israel....Including this war criminal Netanyahu...

Netanyahu has been in power since the 1990's...Talk about a dictatorship.

Btw,

Trump is full of shit when he says "Make America Wealthy and Great again"

He is in it for himself and his family/friends. That's it..

He couldn't give a rats ass about Americans..

Trump is and always has been a professional actor....

He surrounds himself with nothing but wealthy and famous people....Soon he will be in Hell (he is pushing 80 years old) and he will take a lot of good people with him. Trump loves all the attention because he actually believes that he is the most important human being that ever walked the face of the earth...

I find it sickening that he shows up everywhere, Super bowls, Fighting events, Nascar etc. You name it, and he always shows up with a huge entourage of famous wealthy people....This is a leader of the common man?

Wrong: Trump has used the common man and taken advantage of their problems for his own profits....In other words Trump is a fraud. You heard here first.

But these are just my opinions.

It is just too bad that Trump has millions of sucker's that follow everything that comes out of his mouth....Because of all these rogue criminal judges, Trump hasn't and won't accomplish much....

I saw that coming a mile away...

I mention Trump because he is the one heavily involved with financing Israel..He is the one that wants to wipe out the Gaza Strip so that he can have his new Trump resorts built there instead...

Soon (in about 18 month) the Democrats will be calling for his impeachment if they regain power..

And round and round we go...

The entire system is broken and corrupt to the core...It will never be fixed..

Mankind cannot govern itself period...

P.S.

You don't like my answers or personal opinions to your questions then I say tough shit.....I think for myself and form my own opinions about any given topic....I don't need links to opinion pieces from other people.

That is the difference between you and me..

Of course this is exactly how I got through 3 years of law school. If I gave someone else's opinion and passed it off as mine I would have been kicked out..

Stupid answer, but let's go with it.
Israel rejects foreign aid and elects a new leader.
What's next? The Arabs who have hated Jews for ages now throw flowers instead of rockets?
"Never again" is discarded for the new phrase "yet again."

No. I don't like that your responses don't address the questions asked.

Perhaps, but what I notice is that you lap up what is in videos with a narrator who tells you what you are seeing.
Movies play to emotions and that's what you link to.

When you offer an opinion with no supporting facts, your work is no better than fiction.
I link to facts or educated opinions that support my position.
THAT is the difference between you and me.

"Stupid answer, but let's go with it.
Israel rejects foreign aid and elects a new leader.
What's next? The Arabs who have hated Jews for ages now throw flowers instead of rockets?
"Never again" is discarded for the new phrase "yet again."

Why is Israel our problem? Don't we have enough of our own problems in this country? They are the ones who demanded their own "state"...

They are the ones who decided to create this "State" directly in the middle of people who not only hate them but are culturally, religiously and philosophically different in every way....

What did you think would happen?

Btw,

I am going to also suggest that most Jews not only hate Muslims but they hate Christians too.....

Here is an interesting article that I happen to agree with.

https://www.city-journal.org/article/why-dont-jews-like-the-christians-who-like-them

You answer a question with an irrelevant question.

Even if true, they have more reason to fear Muslims.

Again who cares except for you...

They are not my problem and I don't want my tax money going to another country nor do I want American kids fighting in the middle east.

They wanna be their own state or country and live in the Middle East then let them handle their own problems..

Personally I have nothing in common with those people. We have completely different belief systems altogether...I am not the only one who feels this way...

NY State has the most concentration of Jews (1.8 million) out of anywhere in the United States....About 90% or more of them continue to vote Democrat. They vote for policies that are trying to destroy people like you and me....They continue to support evil....

And you want me to help them?

I will back the students who protest on this one issue although I don't agree with their climate bullshit.....But on this Israel issue I do agree with them.

End of story..

Btw,

Every Jew in NYC will vote to have this Murderer Andrew Cuomo elected as Mayor too....Mark my words..

Having an ally in this oil rich area of the world is a strategic boon.
Despite having to fight for its survival Israel has been able to produce products and medical advances that have benefited the US and the world.
The top 12 most amazing Israeli medical advances

"Nothing in common" would include intelligence and work ethic.

Then you support terrorists and the genocide of Jews.

And you chided me because I disagreed with thousands of college educated kids--another of your "points" obliterated.

If you dared to enter the classrooms of these college kids with that caveman attitude you would be mocked.....Then the professor would have you escorted off the campus...

Afterwards they would all have a nice laugh at your expense....

They would specifically call you a nut for insinuating that they believe in "Jewish Genocide".....When what they are really fighting against is the Genocide of those Palestinians being slaughtered everyday by Netanyahus war machine paid for by U.S. tax dollars....

If you came to my house I would call the cops..

Btw,

"We have an ally in an oil rich area" What the hell does this mean? First off Israel doesn't have any oil....And second, Israel has no influence over their neighbors giving us oil since they all hate Israel...

So this statement is another of your Sean Hannity talking points..

P.S.

I thought Trump said we don't need anyone's oil? Didn't he repeatedly say we "have more oil than anyone, drill baby drill"

Gee, I thought I heard Trump say this about 2000 times.

I guess he lied about that too....And gullible sheep like yourself believed everything that comes out of this Carnival Barkers mouth..

Yeah. Useful idiots and their leader getting rid of an opposing viewpoints that they don't have the ability to contest.

Laughing idiots.

Too bad they don't know the definition of genocide.
Shows how much our educational system has deteriorated.

And they wouldn't come. They would be too busy trying to contain protesters.

Without oil, they have turned Israel from a desolate land to a place with a decent standard of living. Israel becomes a lightning rod for much of the Arab aggression.

I'm glad he got it right.

That was the case during his first term.
Biden was begging for the Mid-east to produce more oil.
We are on track to surplus energy in Trump's current term.

"That was the case during his first term.
Biden was begging for the Mid-east to produce more oil.
We are on track to surplus energy in Trump's current term."

Trump has been saying he was gonna drill all during his run for his second campaign too....

But again the point is you said we need Israel because of the oil in the middle east......

I said Trump claims we don't need anyone for our oil because we have our own.....

Trump has other objectives with regards to Israel and the Gaza Strip.... He wants the whole place bulldozed to make room for his Trump resorts and Golf courses... The Hell with the people who live there...Kill them all.

For the record:

Israel practically gets all of its oil from eastern Asia and South American countries.....Not the middle east.



Israel primarily imports crude oil from Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan, accounting for about 60% of its total imports. Other significant suppliers include West African producers, particularly Gabon, and Brazil.
Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan: These two countries are the major sources of crude oil for Israel, with deliveries often transported via the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) and Caspian Pipeline Consortium (CPC) pipelines.
Gabon and other West African producers: Gabon is a significant supplier, along with other West African nations.
Brazil: Brazil has been a growing supplier of crude oil to Israel.
Other suppliers: The United States and other countries also supply refined petroleum products to Israel, including jet fuel.

As far as weapons:

The United States provides Israel with about 69% of ALL its weapons and defense...


The United States is overwhelmingly the biggest supplier of arms to Israel. In 2023 69% of Israel's arm imports came from the US, according to a report into international arms transfers by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI).Oct 16, 2024

Here's a list of benefits of having Israel as an ally (from Answers.com):
"U.S. aid reportedly accounts for some 15 percent of Israel’s defense budget." (source

You will never get it....

I was also going to post about Israel's position which allows the U.S. to project power and influence in the region...

But I am glad you mentioned it first....

It's called Manifest Destiny and it is NOT a good thing...And it proves my point that American Politicians never cared about the Jews in Israel in the first place....We have always wanted strategic control over the region....

This explains why billions of Arabs hate us...Our government has always used Israelis as pawns....The same with Turkey and South Korea...

We are no different from the Chinese or Russians...

The problem is our government force feeds us from birth that we have to financially/militarily support Israel because the Arabs are the bad guys...

So in essence we created this entire problem in the middle east...We are the real bad guys.

Btw,

Trump doesn't care about the Jews in Israel either....If anyone on the planet believes in Manifest Destiny then it is Trump big time...

From day one he has been trying to aquire Greenland, Canada and the Gaza Strip....That is Manifest Destiny in a nutshell...